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= Introduction =

 '''Terminalbloom''' Likes to Play THF and Maybe you do to. Using Riverking's Dark knight guide as inspiration. Major WIP DM Terminalbloom on discord with questions

Thief can bring a lot to a group on top of just treasure hunter. 

# '''TH''' – Most of what you will do on THF is tag for [[Treasure Hunter]]. Tagging ''REQUIRES'' you to perform an action on a target to trigger. Any spell, ability or damage performed by the thief while ''WEARING''  [[Assassin's Armlets]] and [[Nanaa's Charm]] will apply [[treasure Hunter]]. Only a total loss of aggro and going passive can remove [[Treasure Hunter]].  
# '''Hate Control''' – [[Trick Attack]] and [[Collaborator]] can Shift hate to another alliance member. While [[Accomplice]] can take hate from an alliance member. from shifting hate to yourself to assist in holding the mob yourself to shifting all your hate to a tank to deal safe damage thief has this flexibility. 
# '''Bolts''' – [[Acid Bolt]]s offer -12.5% defense and can remove DEF bonus from targets. [[Sleep Bolt]]s can stop spells and assist in mob control. [[Bloody Bolt]]s offer some self healing making thief exceptional solo. 
# '''Tanking Ability''' – Thief is one of the safest targets to have hate with high [[Evasion]] [[Parry]] and shadows thief can make a suitable off tank.

= Horizon Changes {{changes}} =
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= Sub Jobs =
<big>'''Samurai'''</big>

The '''[[Samurai]]''' subjob is the most commonly used for HNM. [[Meditate]] giving tp to skillchain without feeding tp to the target.

<big>'''Ninja'''</big>

the most common for good reason. [[Dual Wield]] and [[Utsusemi]] are amazing for both damage and survivability. 

<big>'''Warrior'''</big>

Not very useful without [[Mandau]] but can be a damage gain with relic.

<big>'''Ranger'''</big>

Used for Zerging or targets that are kited like [[King Behemoth]]

= Merits =
<big><big><center>'''Group 1 Merits'''</center></big></big>
{| class="horizon-table"
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! Merit !! Effect !! Recommendation
|-
| '''Flee Recast''' || Reduces the recast of [[Flee]] by 10 seconds per upgrade.  
  
|| '''0/5''' 
|-
| '''Hide Recast''' || Reduces the recast of [[Hide]] by 10 seconds per upgrade.  
|| '''0/5'''
|-
| '''Sneak Attack Recast''' || Reduces the recast of [[Sneak Attack]] by 2 seconds per upgrade. This is your strongest ability.
|| '''5/5''' – 
|-
| '''Trick Attack Recast''' || Reduces the recast of [[Trick Attack]] by 2 seconds per upgrade. Weaker than Sneak but can be merited if you want to focus on giving hate.
|| '''0/5 or 5/5''' – 
|-
| '''Triple Attack Rate''' || Increases [[Triple Attack]] Rate by 1% per upgrade. This is amazing.

|| '''5/5''' – 
|}

<big><big><center>'''General Merits'''</center></big></big>

'''1. Dagger Skill''': 
Increases your Dagger Skill by +16 at 8/8 merits adding  15 total acc and 16 attack.<br>

'''2. Critical Hit Rate''': 
Increases your critical hit rate by +5% when fully Merited. No other merits in this category give damage and it's good for all dd jobs.<br>

'''3. Strength''': 
Strength is important for THF because [https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/FSTR FSTR] boosts all damage.<br>

'''4. Max HP''': 
Hp is required to not die.<br>

= Weapon skills and Weapons =
[[Calculating Weapon Skill Damage]]<br>
[[Skillchains]]<br>

<big><big><center>'''Dagger'''</center></big></big>
{| class="horizon-table sortable mw-uncollapsible"
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! style="min-width: 100px;" | Weapon Skill
! style="min-width: 400px;" | Description
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Modifiers
! style="min-width: 100px;" | fTP
! style="min-width: 100px;" | Other
! style="min-width: 100px;" | Properties
|-
| '''[[Dancing Edge]]''' 
| Used to close distortion Weaker than other options if not needed for skill chain. 
| '''30% DEX & 40% CHR'''
| '''1.0/1.0/1.0'''
| '''5 Hits'''<br>'''Accuracy varies with TP'''
| {{Property| Scission }} & {{Property| Detonation }}
|-
| '''[[Shark Bite]]'''
| Used to Open and Close Light. Better than Evisceration on higher level targets.
| '''50% DEX & 30% AGI'''
| '''2.00/2.5/3.0'''
| '''2 Hits'''
| {{Property| Fragmentation }}
|-
| '''[[Evisceration]]'''
| Huge damage and can be used to Open and Close Darkness. Most of the time you just hit this one. 
| '''30% DEX & 30% CHR'''
| '''1.0/1.0/1.0'''
| '''5 Hits'''<br>'''Critical hit rate varies with TP'''
| {{Property| Gravitation }} & {{Property| Transfixion }}
|-
| '''[[Mercy Stroke]]'''
| Requires [[Mandau]] Gives 5% Critical hit chance as aftermath. not great but you can hit it for 120mil I guess.
| '''60% STR''' 
| '''3.0/3.0/3.0'''
| '''1 Hit'''
| {{Property| Darkness }} & {{Property| Gravitation }}
|}
<big><big><center>'''Weapons'''</center></big></big>
{| class="horizon-table mw-uncollapsible"
|+
! style="width: 50%;" | Weapon
! style="width: 50%;" | Details
|-
| [[File:Blau Dolch.png|center|500px]]
| Hidden Effect Trigger with the latent adding +5 Accuracy and +16 Attack While under 1000 TP and while using Weapon skills. <br>
A Solid main hand option Held back by holding TP.<br>
|-
| [[File:SiroccoKukri.png|center|500px]]
| The single best off hand in the game almost never replaced farm this as soon as you can.<br>
|-
| [[File:Xsknife.png|center|500px]]
|Useful and on par with [[Blau Dolch]] as a main hand even beating it when you are holding TP.<br>
Boosting Critical hit damage by 10%. <br>
Has Minor uses offhand with Mandau but only when unable to attack targets or focusing on raw Sneak attack or Trick attack damage.<br>
|-
| [[File:Mandau.png|center|500px]]
| Bis but costs money. THF gains +4 DMG as Adaptive.<br>
|-
|}
Other daggers exist but are not worth mentioning as they do no compete except with each other. Focus everything you can on getting the above weapons to replace anything else you are using.

= Gear Sets =

=== TP Sets ===
It is generally recommended to have three different TP sets. I will separate them into a Low, Medium, and High [[Accuracy]] sets. You can obviously mix and match these items as you see fit. Just try to reach 95% acc whenever possible. Thief uses one handed weapons that have major accuracy problems so sushi is basically the only [[food]] you will use. Needing upwards of 500 [[Accuracy]] to hit major targets makes capping [[Accuracy]] a huge part of play.
<big><big><center>'''Accuracy'''</center></big></big>
{| class="horizon-table"
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Low
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Medium
! style="min-width: 150px;" | High	
|-
|[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Homam Zucchetto]]<br>
Neck	
[[Dream Collar]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Stealth Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Rapparee Harness]]<br>
Hands	
[[Dusk Gloves +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Flame Ring]] or [[Begrudging Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Sonic Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Homam Cosciales]]<br>
Feet	
[[Homam Gambieras]] or [[Dusk Ledelsens +1]]
||[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Homam Zucchetto]]<br>
Neck	
[[Love Torque]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Stealth Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Rapparee Harness]]<br>
Hands	
[[Dusk Gloves +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Toreador's Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Sonic Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Homam Cosciales]]<br>
Feet	
[[Homam Gambieras]]
||[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Homam Zucchetto]]<br>
Neck	
[[Love Torque]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Stealth Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Homam Corazza]]<br>
Hands	
[[Dusk Gloves +1]] or [[Homam  Manopolas]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Toreador's Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Sonic Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Homam Cosciales]]<br>
Feet	
[[Homam Gambieras]]
|}
[[Stealth Earring]] is used while /NIN swapping to [[Suppanomimi]] or [[Hollow Earring]] while any other Sub job. Target level playing a largest factor in target evasion you will find level ranges that each set works best for. 75-80 normally safe to use low acc. 81-85 medium while 86+ high acc only. Some monsters are extra hard to hit because of buffs or job as well THF NIN BLM monsters are harder to hit so just keep that in mind when picking sets.<br>
Stand out place holder gear is [[Dusk Ledelsens]], [[Bravo's Subligar]], and [[Panther Mask +1]]
=== Weapon Skill Sets ===
These Sets Will be split into 3 groups as well. Use without Sneak attack or Trick Attack called Raw and for use with those abilities on. When you Rarely Weapon skill with BOTH Sneak and Trick attack default to Trick attack sets.
<big><big><center>'''Dancing Edge'''</center></big></big>
{| class="horizon-table"
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Raw
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Sneak Attack
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Trick Attack
|-
|[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Maat's Cap]]<br>
Neck	
[[Love Torque]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Suppanomimi]] or [[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Dragon Harness +1]]<br>
Hands	
[[Hecatomb Mittens +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Thunder Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Warwolf Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Hecatomb Subligar +1]]<br>
Feet	
[[Hecatomb Leggings +1]]
||[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Maat's Cap]]<br>
Neck	
[[Love Torque]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Suppanomimi]] or [[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Dragon Harness +1]]<br>
Hands	
[[Hecatomb Mittens +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Thunder Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Warwolf Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Hecatomb Subligar +1]]<br>
Feet	
[[Hecatomb Leggings +1]]
||[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Maat's Cap]]<br>
Neck	
[[Love Torque]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Suppanomimi]] or [[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Dragon Harness +1]]<br>
Hands	
[[Rogue's Armlets +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Thunder Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Warwolf Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Hecatomb Subligar +1]]<br>
Feet	
[[Hecatomb Leggings +1]]
|}
Not Many swaps just TA in AF+1 Gloves<br>
Standout place holder gear is [[Assassin's Bonnet +1]], [[Voyager Sallet]], and [[Dusk Trousers +1]].
<big><big><center>'''Shark Bite'''</center></big></big>
{| class="horizon-table"
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Raw
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Sneak Attack
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Trick Attack
|-
|[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Maat's Cap]]<br>
Neck	
[[Breeze Gorget]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Suppanomimi]] or [[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Dragon Harness +1]]<br>
Hands	
[[Hecatomb Mittens +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Thunder Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Warwolf Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Hecatomb Subligar +1]]<br>
Feet	
[[Dragon Leggings +1]]
||[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Maat's Cap]]<br>
Neck	
[[Love Torque]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Suppanomimi]] or [[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Dragon Harness +1]]<br>
Hands	
[[Hecatomb Mittens +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Thunder Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Warwolf Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Hecatomb Subligar +1]]<br>
Feet	
[[Dragon Leggings +1]]
||[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Maat's Cap]]<br>
Neck	
[[Breeze Gorget]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Suppanomimi]] or [[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Dragon Harness +1]]<br>
Hands	
[[Rogue's Armlets +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Breeze Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Warwolf Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Hecatomb Subligar +1]]<br>
Feet	
[[Dragon Leggings +1]]
|}
Standout place holder gear is [[Assassin's Bonnet +1]], [[Voyager Sallet]], and [[Dusk Trousers +1]].
<big><big><center>'''Evisceration'''</center></big></big>
{| class="horizon-table"
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Raw
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Sneak Attack
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Trick Attack
|-
|[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Maat's Cap]]<br>
Neck	
[[Love Torque]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Suppanomimi]] or [[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Dragon Harness +1]]<br>
Hands	
[[Hecatomb Mittens +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Thunder Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Warwolf Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Hecatomb Subligar +1]]<br>
Feet	
[[Hecatomb Leggings +1]]
||[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Maat's Cap]]<br>
Neck	
[[Love Torque]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Suppanomimi]] or [[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Dragon Harness +1]]<br>
Hands	
[[Hecatomb Mittens +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Thunder Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Warwolf Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Hecatomb Subligar +1]]<br>
Feet	
[[Hecatomb Leggings +1]]
||[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Maat's Cap]]<br>
Neck	
[[Breeze Gorget]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Suppanomimi]] or [[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Dragon Harness +1]]<br>
Hands	
[[Rogue's Armlets +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Breeze Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Warwolf Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Hecatomb Subligar +1]]<br>
Feet	
[[Hecatomb Leggings +1]]
|}
Standout place holder gear is again [[Assassin's Bonnet +1]], [[Voyager Sallet]], and [[Dusk Trousers +1]].<br>
Evisceration does not need as many changes as shark bite and is the only weapon skill you should use Raw unless you need to skillchain.
<big><big><center>'''Mercy Stroke'''</center></big></big>
{| class="horizon-table"
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Raw
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Sneak Attack
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Trick Attack
|-
|[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Hecatomb Cap +1]]<br>
Neck	
[[Soil Gorget]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Suppanomimi]] or [[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Hecatomb Harness +1]]<br>
Hands	
[[Alkyoneus's Bracelets]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Flame Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Warwolf Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Hecatomb Subligar +1]]<br>
Feet	
[[Hecatomb Leggings +1]]
||[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Hecatomb Cap +1]]<br>
Neck	
[[Soil Gorget]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Suppanomimi]] or [[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Hecatomb Harness +1]]<br>
Hands	
[[Hecatomb Mittens +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Flame Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Warwolf Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Hecatomb Subligar +1]]<br>
Feet	
[[Hecatomb Leggings +1]]
||[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Hecatomb Cap +1]]<br>
Neck	
[[Soil Gorget]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Suppanomimi]] or [[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Brutal Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Hecatomb Harness +1]]<br>
Hands	
[[Rogue's Armlets +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Flame Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Warwolf Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Hecatomb Subligar +1]]<br>
Feet	
[[Hecatomb Leggings +1]]
|}
Standout place holder gear is, [[Voyager Sallet]], and [[Dusk Trousers +1]].<br>
Mercy Stroke just changes around hands.<br>

=== Sneak attack and Trick attack sets ===
[https://shamayaasura.livejournal.com/7505.html How to Maximize SA/TA Damage]<br>
The time and place to use raw Sa/Ta is up to your judgement. remember [[Delay]] is forced on using job abilities so take haste into account raw Sa/Ta can be a damage loss at high haste. 
{| class="horizon-table"
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Sneak Attack
! style="min-width: 150px;" | Trick Attack
|-
|[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Maat's Cap]]<br>
Neck	
[[Love Torque]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Suppanomimi]] or [[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Dragon Harness +1]]<br>
Hands	
[[Dusk Gloves +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Thunder Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Warwolf Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Dusk Trousers +1]]<br>
Feet	
[[Dragon Leggings +1]]
||[[Mandau]], [[X's Knife]] or [[Blau Dolch]]<br>
Sub	
[[Sirocco Kukri]]<br>
Range	
[[Ziska's Crossbow]] or [[Bomb Core]] <br>
Head	
[[Maat's Cap]]<br>
Neck	
[[Hope Torque]]<br>
Ear1	
[[Suppanomimi]] or [[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Ear2	
[[Merman's Earring]]<br>
Body	
[[Dragon Harness +1]]<br>
Hands	
[[Rogue's Armlets +1]]<br>
Ring1	
[[Breeze Ring]]<br>
Ring2	
[[Rajas Ring]]<br>
Back	
[[Forager's Mantle]]<br>
Waist	
[[Sonic Belt]]<br>
Legs	
[[Dusk Trousers +1]]<br>
Feet	
[[Dragon Leggings +1]]
|}
You can use [[Sneak Attack]], [[Trick Attack]], and [[Hide]] pre pull together to get an attack on the tank other wise it is better to split them.